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Sajita : Menj's article which I found in his page titled "Is Jesus God? Think About It!" by Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi. Look, how he tried to decive people..
MENJ : Did Jesus DENY Being God?
According to the Bible, he did....
Sajita : It is a big lie, nothing else...
MENJ : If I am standing in front of the IBM headquarters building, and a fellow employee unknowingly asked me "Is this your building, do you own this building? "
Then I replied "This Building is NOT MY OWN, but
it belongs to The ONE WHO EMPLOYEES ME"
Another example is:
Sajita : Yes, this would be your ANSWER because YOU are not the owner but JESUSS case is different from yours. He is the owner of everything. Jesus is the sole creator of everything.
MENJ : Did Jesus make such statements regarding his status, the words, the will and the power he used? I urge you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn out of context:
Sajita : Sure you have not only misquoted the Bible verse but took your own meaning of it
Sajita : And what
do you think about this when Jesus said, I and My Father are one."?
Sajita : Again the same answer ..
Sajita : Wow,
you have proved here that your QURAN IS WRONG!! Hey, hey.. now read this
verse about Jesus from your QURAN:
It says about Jesus "HOLY SON"And also Hadith says that, devil touches every child on their birth but he could not touch Jesus...
And for your information, Jesus is not the branch but Jesus is the vine. Branches are His believer. Dont take verses out of context .
MENJ : John 8:31 "You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God This verse is one of the most explicit statements of Jesus denying divinity for it clearly defines Jesus' position that he is subject to God and not God Himself. One only has to ask a simple question: Does God hears the truth from Himself?
Sajita : hey,
what Bible you are quoting? NKJV says like this:-
DONT MAKE NEW BIBLE PLEASE..
Sajita : What about your eyes and ears, do you think they are equal? Do you think that your eyes can hear too and ears can see too? If your answer is NO then I can say that some major problems is in your body..
Sajita : Where do this verses say that Jesus was learned Jew? He is the very word of God and when He spoke people amazed that how He speaks with this much authority and power?
Mat 7:28, "And so it was, when Jesus had ended these
sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching,"
MENJ : The worship of
God was always focal in his life, even as a child. The second chapter
of Luke tells us a very touching story of Jesus as a precociously wise
child of twelve, sitting for days among the scholars. His family had accidentally
left him in Jerusalem after their annual visit for the Passover. Nearly
frantic, they searched for him:
Sajita : Jesus never worshipped any God. He is the very God and He need not to worship anybody. The verse you have quoted it does not say as Jesus worshipped any God?
Sajita : I never understand why Muslims break the Bible verses and use as they want?????? Please dont do that, it is never good. Read this verse in its entirety :
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Yes, no one saw God but Jesus declared Him and whoever saw Jesus they saw God.
John 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you
so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has
seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
And whoever saw Jesus they saw God. And it is happening today itself. Whoever meets Jesus in his/her life he/she meets God, sees Him and knows Him personally.
Sajita : Why you people do not bother to read above and below verses? Sorry, it is taken totally out of context. Let me quote the verses which follows the above verse:
Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you
in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
It clearly says about FALSE PROPHETS but not for God!!!
MENJ : Jesus would not
even accept the praise of a man who called him good:
Sajita : Jesus is talking rationally here. And after few verse He says, "I am my father are one." By saying this Jesus made it clear that He is the same God who is good.
Not only that in Matthew Jesus replied in Matthew 19:21 that, ""If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
If Jesus is not good then why He told him to follow Him(Jesus)? Here is the whole passage:
Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call
Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter
into life, keep the commandments."
MENJ : Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.
Sajita : Well, In the above verse Jesus was quoting the Old Testament verse and telling that this is the commandment. Jesus was not talking here about His God but Jesus was telling the scribe that what is the commandments of God.. read it again, not like you have quoted but in its entirety.... So there is no question of "your God"or "Our God"
Mark 12:28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard
them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked
Him, "Which is the first commandment of all?"
MENJ : Other similar
Sajita : I did not even bother to open my Bible because I knew you have quoted half and broken verses from here and there so please bring a Bible which is authorized version not your version then try to quote from ATHORIZED version. Dont try to fool others with your broken version (I dont know which version you are using)
Sajita : Yes, Jesus prayed and prayer is internal conversation with the father just like different parts of your body communicates with each other. Suppose you are going by car, suddenly a man jumped in front of your car. Your eyes saw the man and brain took the decision and without your knowledge you feet went on brake. The same thing is with Jesus, Father and the Holy Spirit. They communicate with each other and they have 3 different functions and they work in their own areas.
MENJ : That Jesus would admit that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.
Sajita : You are wrong again. Jesus many a times said, "I am my father are one" So there is no question of another supreme God. Jesus is the same God of Old Testament who came down in the form of a man. Jesus came into this world on his own, He gave His life on His own. He said in John 10:17 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
Very clearly He said that He is doing it on His own
will not of any supreme being.
MENJ : So who is Jesus then? A man who told the truth which he heard from God. In other words, he was a messenger of God. When a clear statement like this is issued from the lips of Jesus, why wrangle with the passages that are not so clear, and try to twist them to mean the opposite of what Jesus has been saying in other clear verses all along?
Anyone who wishes to convince themselves that Jesus is God should look for clear evidence in the Bible to show that Jesus is God. But the clear evidence is to the contrary. The Bible teaches again and again that Jesus is not God, but a Servant of God (e.g. Matthew 12:18). In the very next chapter of John 9:35, Jesus declares that he is the Son of Man (RSV). And anyone who knows the Bible as the Israelites to whom Jesus spoke will know that a son of man cannot be God. The Bible declares that God is neither a man nor a son of man (Numbers 23:19).
Sajita : Jesus was born as a human in this world thats why He was called Son of man. It shows that Jesus was 100% human and the same time He was called Son of God and that shows His quality of 100% God. So there is no question that Jesus was mere man who came and died and finished. NO, but Jesus was more than a mere man, a human being or a mere prophet. He is the ONE, TRUE and LIVING GOD. And there is no one beside Him..
MENJ : "How can
he be called clean that is born of a woman? Behold even the moon, and
it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. How much less
man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?"
Sajita : True, But Jesus was not born as other human being born in this world. He is holy and born without the corrupted blood of human as He was born to a virgin. So He was pure and holy and His holiness was not corrupted by natural birth.
MENJ : Jesus (pbuh) never
in his lifetime told anyone to worship him. It was others who did that.
Quite the contrary, whenever Jesus (pbuh) spoke of worship, he always
attributed it to God and never himself: "Thou shalt worship the Lord
thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" [Luke 4:8]. Notice the words:
"Him ONLY." Jesus did not say "US only," or "Him
and I only." How could he possibly make it more clear than that?
What abstract meaning are we now going to concoct for this verse to show
that what Jesus "really" meant was "worship BOTH of us"?
Sajita : Very funny!! Many a times Jesus said that, He is God. Let us see:-
Luke 6:5 And He said to them, "The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."
Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
John 3:15 "that whoever believes in Him should not
perish but have eternal life.
Sajita : It is your belief but not of those who really read the Bible and Quran. If you ever read the Bible you will know that who is God and who really Jesus is. There is no question that Jesus is not God because He is God almighty and there is no other God.
MENJ : Now, supposing
Jesus peace be upon him were to appear before you and ask you these questions,
what would you respond?
Sajita : Yes, He did!
MENJ : Did I not uniformly and to the last set you an example myself of praying to the Father, to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God? [John 20:17]
Sajita : So does it mean that He is not God? Certainly not!
MENJ : When my disciples requested me to teach them to pray [Luke 11:1-2], did I teach them to pray to myself or to any other person but the Father?
Sajita : Sure, He did! It does not mean that He is not God.
MENJ : Did I ever call myself God, or tell you that I was the maker of the world and to be worshipped?
Sajita : Yes, He did and all the NT and OT is the proof of it.
MENJ : There has long
been a great deal of debate among Christian theologians and scholars regarding
the divinity of Jesus. This debate has intensified in recent years, and
there seems to be an increasingly open concern over the truth of this
doctrine. For example, the authors of THE MYTH OF GOD INCARNATE (The Westminster
Press, 1977, p. ix) concluded that:
Sajita : It may be a myth for you and whole world but not for me because He is the same Jesus who pulled me out of my sins, my problems, my tears and gave me a new life. There is none like Him.. You can read more about me at http:///bibleandquran.org/me.htm
MENJ : My friend, it
is clear that Jesus alaihissalam followed the Mosaic law and did not claim
divinity. According to the Bible, he was neither omniscient nor omnipotent.
Given the fact that nowhere in the Bible do we see a direct identification
of Jesus as God, and that Jesus strongly upheld all the commandments and
emphasized the First Commandment, we can only conclude that the doctrine
of Jesus' divinity has no foundation in the scripture nor in the life
and teachings of Jesus. This concept is an innovation in Christian doctrine.
Sajita : WRONG!! WRONG!! WRONG!! Please read my book "Is Jesus God?" the exerpts also available in my website at: http://bibleandquran.org/isjesusgod.htm
It is also available for purchase from http://bibleandquran.org/books.htm page.
MENJ : "They say:
Allah has taken a son. Glorified be He! He has no needs! His is all that
is in the heavens and that is in the earth. You have no warrant for this,
do you say regarding Allah that which you know not?"
Sajita : It is another proof that Allah is not all-knowing because he does not know that there is no physical son of God!!